MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. to reconsider getting some help with that. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Mother a murderer. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. You could see Andrew in that boy. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. then one day I realized what it was. I hate it. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. And now I want to read the book. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. But he could not get rid of her.. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. He was to us, like our gift from God. A tale of sorrow and survival. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Add a bio, trivia, and more. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Very, very serious. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. How could they dither for months and months. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Each decision is subject to appeal. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? Unable to add item to List. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Did. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. She was coming here to take care of me. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. "We never expected it. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. He and his wife also participated in a. No question. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. Do you understand? It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Audio CD. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Was it true? He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. Hed been shot five times. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. "They are appalled and outraged.". The reality was almost too much to comprehend. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. This story broke my heart. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. I didn't have. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. This year is different. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Father murdered. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. David Bagby. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Please try again. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. substance to it. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. a month after 30 days. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. A tragedy that could have been prevented. quiet. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. There was a problem loading your book clubs. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. "It's a blur of emotion." But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. Not always. Meeting her at 6. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. Memorial University Medical School. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. Andrew and Zachary's murders. It would take two weeks. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. Hello. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. granddad? The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. Well written from the heart and to the point. Cpl. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. What if she is backed in a. corner? And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Was she lying? The two eventually lived together again. Snow. Now, she sucked us in here, too. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Cancel online anytime. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? It is absolutely heartbreaking. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. Help contribute to IMDb. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? And he was beautiful, Kate says. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Turner had not finished with the family yet. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Telegram file photo. decision. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. And now it's just. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. "It was an overpowering feeling. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. IMDbPro Starmeter. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. We. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. The. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. However, the intended audience of the film. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. And we came back. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. It's great. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. The night was. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. I just want to get through medical school.'. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. I sat there. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Neither speaks for the other. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. 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